if you combine those things together we cannot only reduce our deficit but we can invest in education and research and development that will help us grow. martha: what do you think about that at home and what does karl rove think about that. former senior adviser to president george w. bush. there was a lot in that sound bite. we know the tax hikes have kicked in, but the president is suggesting that we need more money from the american people essentially. >> we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. revenues this year are anticipated to be above the year they were in fiscal '08. they are going to be over $2.9 trillion over $2 trillion. spending has increased more rapidly than revenues. the tax revenues we got as a result of raising the rates on the top two brackets was eaten up about it congress in one spending bill proposed about it administration, the sandy relief measure. we have a spending problem and it's going to get worse. martha: during the campaign we heard from governor romney about changing the structure of the tax code long term instead of just raising taxes and d